Loot rules
5-man normal instances and heroics
We have no formal rules for 5-mans. It is important that everyone clarifies loot rules at the beginning of the instance so no one is confused. Over time as you run with certain people more often, this may no longer be necessary, but overall make sure to ASK if it is okay for you to roll on something if you aren't sure.
Usually we use the following rules in 5-man instances:
Greed all BoE (you may need if it is an upgrade to you however, but it is polite to ask, especially if the item is blue or purple)
Pass on all BoP (if you need it, make sure you mention that you need it, and then you can roll for it if others want it as well, and the winner can pick it up from the body. Passing on all BoP items allows an enchanter to pick up the item and disenchant it if no one wants it.)
10-man raid instances
In 10-man raid instances, we use the following rules:
- 1 epic per night
- Items go to people who are on-spec first.
- Loot will be distributed in as even a method as possible.
Explanations below:
Basically, 1 epic per night (yes, per night, not per "raid" - so if you get an item on Friday, your item count has reset for the raid on Saturday). The only situation in which you can get more than 1 epic is if everyone else who is eligible (and on-spec) has also already gotten an item. The reasoning for this is, is it REALLY fair if I pick up, say, Shermanar Great Ring (which no one else wanted) and then later that same night I also roll on (and win) Light's Justice from Prince, even though Sythrel really wanted Light's Justice too, and hasn't gotten an item yet? Then I get to walk out with two items and someone else with zero. Even though the Shermanar Great Ring would be an off-spec item for me as a Restoration druid, I did get one item and Sythrel did not.
Do think long and hard before you pass on an item that may be an upgrade just because you want something later in the night though. Multiple times I've seen items sharded that shouldn't have been sharded - and then the item the person was waiting for doesn't drop and they are kicking themselves for letting the previous item get DE'd.
Items go to people on-spec first. Even if Nuit has already won 12 items that day, if some healing mace drops that she wants, and no other healers want it, she still has priority over a feral druid, balance druid, shadow priest, etc. Some people just have lucky days :)
Items that are useful will not be DE'd just because a person has won "too many things". If you want something, even if you've already won items, please speak up, even if just to say "if no one else wants, I'll take it". This helps speed up the looting process so the raid leader isn't sitting there asking, "No one wants this? We're sharding this? Okay sending to - oh wait, no, you want it? Oh and now you do too? Go ahead and roll..."
Loot will be distributed in a way that hopefully spreads out things as much as possible. Say the tanking belt and the pocket watch drop off Moroes, and Anaeve and Kurai are both in the raid. Kurai has neither item but Anaeve already has the Pocket Watch. For fairness sake, the belt should go to Anaeve and then Kurai should get the Pocket Watch. By the same token, given the same situation, say Anaeve had already won an item earlier. Kurai gets the Watch by default (since Ana already has it) and now they both each have 1 epic from that day, so they roll for the belt.
Typically tier items will be rolled on FIRST, followed by other items.
25-man raids
http://community.livejournal.com/wow_dota/1058841.htmlThe post linked above goes over the suicide kings system and how it works. This is the loot system that we use for 25-mans. Everyone who had raided with us in the past was put on the list for our very first Gruul's raid.
All new members to the guild will start at the bottom of the list and will have to work their way up the suicide kings list.
A temporary solution for PUGs is when an item drops, people will send the raid leader/master looter a whisper. If there is 1 or more PUGs who whisper and would like to roll, the master looter will roll 1-# of people who want the item. So if 2 pugs want an item and 3 DotA members, the master looter would roll 1-5. The master looter assigns numbers to the two PUGs - say PUG1 gets the item on a 1, and PUG2 gets the item on a 2. If the roll is a 3, 4, or 5, then we go by our loot system.
If a PUG wins an item they will be moved to the end of the suicide kings list. It's not yet fully clear what we intend to do from here, whether they get wiped from the list at the end of the raid or if they stay in the system in case they come again. Both have their downsides (first case, if this PUG comes again, they could still roll against DotA members who have their spot in suicide kings - second case, why do they want to come with us again if they are at the bottom of the list and can't get loot unless they come regularly, which isn't guaranteed for a random pug to be able to do?)
Also not yet clear WHEN a pug is no longer a pug. Mirari is Jelena's friend and he came along to our last Gruul's - is he really a pug? But will he get to raid often enough that it would be worth his while to be added into the loot system to eventually get items? etc... there are complications here that need to be worked through, but that is what we've come up with for our first PUGs-in-Gruul's run on Friday.
Certain people however will go on the loot list as they don't really count as pugs. For example, my boyfriend, Kelsin. If he weren't already in the loot system and then went on a raid with us, he would be added to the bottom of the list. The reason for this is that he isn't really a pug at all, and he is probably likely to come with us in the future. It isn't really fair to fellow guild members that he should be able to trump their position on the loot list just because he isn't in the guild, if he plans on raiding with us in the future.
When you are signed up for a 25-man raid via our raid sign-up system, you can see your position in suicide kings at the bottom of the page. You can compare against everyone else who is in the raid (note - you must be IN THE RAID to see your position on suicide kings, not just in the sign-up list). You also can view the entire suicide kings list by clicking the "Loot" button while logged into the raid site.
Magtheridon
He has some special loots. This is how we will deal with those loots.
- Tier 4 chest pieces - suicide kings
- Non-tier epic armor/weapons/whatever - suicide kings
- Magtheridon's Head - suicide kings
- Gems - any blue gems just go into the raid bank, epic gems can be rolled on by anyone who hasn't won an item yet but who needs the gem (these absolutely may not be sold and should only go to people who need the particular gem for their raiding gear).
- Bag - anyone who hasn't won an item yet, including a gem, (and also hasn't won this bag) may roll
If it is found that you are selling a gem that you received during one of our Magtheridon runs, you will be moved to the end of the suicide kings loot list and banned from rolling on all future epic gems.